Tuesday, July 21, 2009


Surprising as it may seem, incest is not always a crime in Europe.

Three European Union nations – France, Spain and Portugal – do not prosecute consenting adults for incest, and Romania is considering following suit.

The shocking case of Austrian Josef Fritzl, found guilty this week of holding his daughter captive for 24 years and fathering her seven children, has focused new attention on incest – which is a crime in itself in Austria even if the acts are consensual. But in the Fritzl case it was in connection with rape, homicide and other charges that led to a sentence of life in a secure psychiatric ward.

Laws exempting parents, grandparents, brothers and sisters from prosecution for incestuous acts if they are not forced upon adult family members are decades old in France, Spain and Portugal.

In Romania, decriminalizing incest among consenting adults is being considered as part of a wide range of reforms to the country’s criminal code. No date has been set yet for a parliament vote on the bill, and opposition to the proposal is fervent even among some lawmakers in the ruling coalition.

Currently all forms of incest in Romania are punishable by up to seven years in prison. But Romania’s Justice Ministry suggests the new legislation would move the country – which joined the European Union two years ago – closer legally to some other EU members.

“Not everything that is immoral has to be illegal,” said Justice Ministry legal expert Valerian Cioclei. “We cannot help these people by turning them into criminals and punishing them.”

Incest is defined as sexual intercourse between people too closely related to marry legally. In the United States, all 50 states and the District of Columbia prohibit even consensual incest, although a few states impose no criminal penalties for it, according to the Harvard Law Review.

Not everything that is immoral has to be illegal. We cannot help these people by turning them into criminals and punishing them.

Legal expert Valerian CiocleiNewspaper articles in Romania have criticized the planned legal change over consensual incest. The ministry, however, countered with a statement claiming that incest cannot be stopped with “criminal sanctions, but with medical and social measures, because incest is based on pathological factors.”

Not all Romanians accept the Justice’s Ministry’s argument.

Anuta Popa, a 22-year-old woman in the western city of Cluj, said she doubted that incest ever happened by consent in her country, saying it was more likely that the man was drunk and violently attacked his sister or mother.

Incest should not be legalized. If they want to have sex, better to say a prayer and remember that God sees them,” she declared. “I would castrate them.”

Iosif Damian, a 56-year-old cleaner, said he was unsure if consulting adults should be jailed for incest but added “I think it is shameful all the same.”

“Or (if) they are ill and prison is not a solution, they need medical help,” he said.

But one 27-year old chauffeur did not see any problem with the legal change.

If brothers and sisters want to have fun, why should they be imprisoned? It is nobody’s business what I do in my bedroom,” Ionut Breazu of Cluj told the Associated Press.

Challenges in countries where incest is a crime surface occasionally.

In Germany, the country’s highest court last year rejected an appeal by a man who was sent to prison after fathering four children with his sister in a consensual relationship.

Opponents say that children born out of incest face an increased risk of genetic problems, especially inherited disorders of “recessive” conditions, or those caused by a double dose of a gene that carries a mutation – one from each parent. There are about 3,500 recessive conditions, most of them very rare.

Everyone carries several of these recessive gene mutations, but since most of them are extremely rare, the chance of two unrelated people carrying a mutation in the same gene is low,” said Jess Buxton, spokesman for the British Society of Human Genetics.

But he said sexual relationships between relatives more closely related than cousins carry increased risks to offspring because the adults share a greater proportion of their genetic material. Full siblings share 50 percent of their genetic material, as do parents and their children.

The closer the biological relationship between two people, the higher the risk of passing on a recessive condition to their children,” Buxton said.

And then there are the moral dilemmas over incest.

It generates a confusion of roles,” says Romanian psychologist Aurora Liceanu. “Imagine: how can one explain to a child that his father is also his grandfather?”

Opposition also comes from the Romanian Orthodox Church, which counts some 85 percent of the population among its worshippers and says incest “affects the moral and psychological health of human beings … the sacred family institution, and public morality.”

A Vatican spokesman declined to directly comment on the issue but pointed to Catholic Church doctrine, which bans incest among immediate relatives and says it “corrupts family relationships.”

And sentiment appears strong against any form of incest even in the countries where it is legal among consenting adults. An IPSOS poll in France taken in January showed that 59 percent of the 931 respondents thought all forms of incest should be considered a criminal offense. No margin of error was published.

Yet around Europe, there is some acceptance of consensual incest among adults.

Irish homemaker Margaret Henry, 42, said society shouldn’t be so concerned about it.

“(Why are they) arresting people for what they do in their own homes, as long as they’re adults and they’re not hurting each other?” she asked.

That sentiment was shared by Hermann Koening, a 23-year-old graphic designer from Duesseldorf, Germany.

Incest is a sin,” Koening said while waiting at a Dublin bus stop. “But maybe it’s wrong to make it a crime.”

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  1. You see, we Europeans don't normally need the threat of incarceration to become aware that something is wrong.

  2. Right @ 4:22 AM



  3. Damn that inbreeding shit really messed these ppl up. The mother should have drowned BOOMQUISHA!!!! That sister is hurt. How can you walk down the street looking like that wooooooooow.

  4. there more than 3 european countries allowing consent incest: Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, Ialy...

  5. First of all Hermaphrodites aren't a result in inbreeding if that were the case then we wouldn't have earthworms and countless other species that evolved with Male and Female reproductive organs. Also I don't know why your so quick to condemn Human Incest when thousands of animals are forced into incest just suit people desires for a particular trait.

    Not to mention everyone around the world in some shape or form are related to each other. I mean think about it. Every time a Woman lost her last name took on the husbands name she may have a new name but her DNA from her parents family is still there not to mention that couple thousand years ago Humankind population dwindled down to a few thousand men woman and child. Do you honestly think that everyone comes from a different family? Heck even the bible suggests that we are all mass incest made people by saying Adam&Eve were the first people on earth and Eve was taken from Adam very own flesh incest is a sin and should be a crime?! Okay then lets start putting everyone in prison. Oh wait your gonna say Oh but the kinda incests okay but you people been all incest should be illegal. Well how about wanna be the first to go to prison for Incestual relations??

    Besides if you think about it with the use of incest it allows for further Evolution how you may ask it is made possible by concentrating certain genes good or bad. Keep the good ones while weeding out the bad ones yeah it sucks and is cruel to the people who get the short end of the stick however Mother Nature is cruel, unforgiving, and unstoppable and she will do as she dang well pleases whether you believe in God or not Mother Nature has her own rules and her own plans and if she sees fit to creatures of kinds commit incest then it was only a matter of time before it happen to humans.

    You see humans have been engage in incest far before any of or even our forefathers were alive and they'll continue to do so far into the future. Not just because they can but because are compelled to do so.

    I mean incest is as much a part of this world as any other kind of reproduction.

    Hell Earthworms Reproduce A-sexually how more incestual can you get than that and THAT IS A NATURAL PROCESS. My thought is if its such a sin then why did the "Supposed Almighty God Create them and not they justify Incest but Homosexuals as well because no matter how you cut it when they mate with another earthworm the are committing a Homosexual act. So before everyone starts spouting off at the mouth about whats right or wrong maybe you should take a look at the animal kingdom chances are if they are doing it then it not a far fetch idea that it isn't a mortal sin.

  6. ^ please look up recessive genes and 5-Alpha Reductase.

    Hermaphrodites born through incest carry this genetic defect.

  7. Don't believe everything you read on the internet! Silly rabbits! These pictures posted could be from anything (ie...drug infested women while pregnant, smoking, messing around with DNA, insecticide in certain areas of the world, etc.!) These publishers are religiously ignorant. Every slow/ or disfigured person you meet is from incest? This is ignorant thinking from ignorant people!

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